All About Hell
yes i spent the weekend reading all about hell.
more on that later.
Just found out that TM@Hope is in Division A as well!
The Division contest will be such a blast.
Of the 5 (or 6, depending on whether the Tamil club sends someone) area representatives,
3 of them are from my "home clubs".
I know half of the contestants personally and i love them too!
it'll be such a great friendly contest.
i'm thrilled.
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The intangible thing that TM has taught me,
is how to be friendly with strangers.
At every meeting there will be guests,
and you kind of sense their discomfort being in a strange environment where they know no one,
and it's the TM culture to go say hi.
the small talk isn't that uncomfortable,
it's always a gd ice breaker asking them why they want to come, how they found us,
and just to get to know more abt random pple.
I've also seen how encouragement can really bring someone up.
Sherry and Karen have grown tremendously.
they're having so much fun evaluating and i'm just at the side egging them on occasionally
(i take no credit for their enthusiasm, i'm just a cameo character answering what they ask)
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Went to Sengkang TMC on sat.
there were 7 speakers in all,
and at least 4 of them talked abt "giving back to society".
What a lovely club.
the VPE is this quirky lady,
i love her speeches,
she's just really really quirky in a very funny unique way.
I Luuurve it.
Even better still is the impromptu speech by the SAA,
a self professed Hokkein uncle beng, (he said so himself)
of which Sherry had the misfortune of evaluating.
"I asked him what his speech title is," Sherry told me exasperatedly, "and he said 'LC'! Aiyoh so vulgar!"
"What's LC?" i asked innocently.
"LC la..." and she mouthed something that rhymes with NanQiao.
"hahahahahaaah," i burst out laughing, "Say it in your evaluation! you'll never get invited back again! And evaluate him in Hokkein!"
"how to say eye contact? mak kiu mak kiu hor ah"
Mr LC was very funny too by the way,
perfectly complemented by the effervescent Sherry.
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Spanish F1 Fiesta
Met the girls at Weips' house.
"Hey Yvo," Weips' dad suddenly called me,"I'm gonna do your favourite trick."
"What's that uncle?"
"I'm going to suddenly disappear," he replied and walked out the living room.
We sat stunned for a while before K went "I think you just got zinged by the Dad!"
"How many gatherings DID i miss? Do you girls meet every month or something?"
It was a rather cosy gathering,
and surprisingly very comfortable given that i haven't seen some of them for ages.
Aud's going to Rome for a month long holiday.
"I'll be staying with my friend over there," she told us.
"Oh, where does your friend stay?" K asked.
"In London"
"erm....that's a bit far isn't it" K said as she popped another cork into a wine bottle.
"K that's the 2nd cork you popped in. is that why you brought so many bottles of wine?"
"hmm," K gave an intense look as she sipped the wine she just opened, "this tastes..erm..corky"
The finale of the night wasn't F1 but the making of chocolate fondue.
Or maybe it's the Malachamb dance video K was so pleased with,
and the "what kind of strippers do you want for your birthday" discussion.
Anyhow,
yes choco fondue.
K and Aud chatted outside while the rest of us tried our hands at melting choco chips.
half hour of struggling with chocolate cement later,
Aud finally walked in and revealed that she's a Food and Nutrition student and can we please melt the chips by using the stove instead of boiling water.
"I think the chocolate has gotten pass optimum point," weips added.
"what optimum point???"
"it's beyond melted. it's drying! i think i'll add water"
"Oh no pls add milk, not water," Aud quickly said.
"Aud must be thinking we're really idiots" Lu helpfully added.
The melted chocolate tasted a lot better than it looked.
Yum.
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Back to Hell.
Brian Mclaren's story is a trilogy can you imagine.
So i'm on to the next book.
Not as mindblowing as the first one i read,
but not bad.
And the whole book is about hell.
all the different theories of it.
I love Brian's point of view,
at least the possibilities he is advocating.
Completely resonates with my sentiments.
Which cannot be aired freely because pple always look at me like i'm a complete doctrine idiot when i try to probe them further into it.
(not that i care being look upon as a doctrine idiot, but a conversation with that frame point goes nowhere)
If I may quote from the book to adequately and clearly express my point of reference:
"This book is dedicated to all pple who love these pple (with questions), listen to their questions in gentleness and respect, and want to help them find honest answers they can live with. It will let them know that they are not wrong or alone in asking their questions, and it may help them find a place where they can in good faith have faith."
"we often seek clarity at the expense of the truth: we would rather have something simple and clear than continue to search beyond convention for a truth that won't resolve to a neat formula."
"Learning isn't a consequence of teaching or listening, it is a consequence of thinking"
"Scripture, Logic, Tradition, Heart Beliefs. What if they don't reconcile? Just say I don't know"
"To believe in God is to believe in the salvation of the world. the paradox of our time is that those who believe in God do not believe in the salvation of the world, and those who believe in the future of the world do not believe in God.....God seeks among us sons and daughters who resemble him enough, who love the world enough so that he could send them into the world to save it."
To save the world, the "salvation" here,
in following the theme of the book,
is not the conventional "believe me or go to hell".
It's abt the injustice of the world,
it's abt returning the world to the place of love and selflessness that it was meant to be.
I shall try my hands at a parable.
in the window we see a tree.
and we hear sounds that come from somewhere outside the window frame.
it sounds like birds or bees or maybe aliens for all we know,
because we can't see it.
But God has placed all these things there.
And then we start to squabble abt what that sound is.
And because no one really knows,
we all pick a fixed stubborn position and insist we're right.
And while we argue abt it,
the tree withers away.
I think all God really wants us to do is to take care of the tree.
the sound could be from a bird,
as an encouragement from God that once the tree blossoms, the birds will come.
The point is,
let's focus on what we see now,
instead of dwelling on things we can't see.
which is not to say we don't believe or disregard those things,
but we use them as encouragement for this life,
and not as points of disputes or contention.
Good christians go to heaven and bad non-christians probably won't,
and all those in between,
i don't know.
(even though yes, in my mind i know what the model answer is)
And i reckon God's reply to me if i ask will be, "You don't need to know".
Interestingly,
the book points out that the way some Christians use the concept of hell to "scare" pple into believing christ is somewhat the method of the Pharisees in the bible who use hell to "scare" and judge the sinners of their time, an approach that Jesus completely objected.
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So what is hell to me?
it has never bothered me,
but interesting question.
If i have a concept of heaven,
then i should have one for hell.
Perhaps,
just like heaven,
hell is not so much a place than a state of being.
If heaven is a place of love,
then hell is a place with no love.
(which ties in the fact that God is love. so hell has no love, because hell has no God)
Imagine a place of pure isolation,
where everyone is selfish and self absorbed,
where no one really cares.
where everyone's in a neverending competition to be better.
And being there forever.
That's a pretty scary place.
Just as there can be heaven on earth,
i guess there can also be hell on earth.
And again isn't it interesting,
that same question again,
if you take it that what you pursue on earth is what you get in the afterlife,
then would you still pursue a life of riches and materialism,
or would you pursue a life of love?
which kind of life would you want to live in forever?
------------------------------------------------
before any horrified pple from church haul me in for extra shepherding to trim the liberalism,
i offer another quote from Elizabeth Gilbert, author of eat love pray.
"I'm sure what i'm pushing for,
this idea of essentially a fairy sprinkling fairy juice on our creative works,
doesn't sit down well with a group of scientists like yourselves.
But my question really is,
why not?
why not think abt it this way?
If it can save our most creative pple from falling into depression and suicide,
then why not?"
yes i spent the weekend reading all about hell.
more on that later.
Just found out that TM@Hope is in Division A as well!
The Division contest will be such a blast.
Of the 5 (or 6, depending on whether the Tamil club sends someone) area representatives,
3 of them are from my "home clubs".
I know half of the contestants personally and i love them too!
it'll be such a great friendly contest.
i'm thrilled.
-------------------------------------------
The intangible thing that TM has taught me,
is how to be friendly with strangers.
At every meeting there will be guests,
and you kind of sense their discomfort being in a strange environment where they know no one,
and it's the TM culture to go say hi.
the small talk isn't that uncomfortable,
it's always a gd ice breaker asking them why they want to come, how they found us,
and just to get to know more abt random pple.
I've also seen how encouragement can really bring someone up.
Sherry and Karen have grown tremendously.
they're having so much fun evaluating and i'm just at the side egging them on occasionally
(i take no credit for their enthusiasm, i'm just a cameo character answering what they ask)
-----------------------------------------
Went to Sengkang TMC on sat.
there were 7 speakers in all,
and at least 4 of them talked abt "giving back to society".
What a lovely club.
the VPE is this quirky lady,
i love her speeches,
she's just really really quirky in a very funny unique way.
I Luuurve it.
Even better still is the impromptu speech by the SAA,
a self professed Hokkein uncle beng, (he said so himself)
of which Sherry had the misfortune of evaluating.
"I asked him what his speech title is," Sherry told me exasperatedly, "and he said 'LC'! Aiyoh so vulgar!"
"What's LC?" i asked innocently.
"LC la..." and she mouthed something that rhymes with NanQiao.
"hahahahahaaah," i burst out laughing, "Say it in your evaluation! you'll never get invited back again! And evaluate him in Hokkein!"
"how to say eye contact? mak kiu mak kiu hor ah"
Mr LC was very funny too by the way,
perfectly complemented by the effervescent Sherry.
---------------------------------------------------
Spanish F1 Fiesta
Met the girls at Weips' house.
"Hey Yvo," Weips' dad suddenly called me,"I'm gonna do your favourite trick."
"What's that uncle?"
"I'm going to suddenly disappear," he replied and walked out the living room.
We sat stunned for a while before K went "I think you just got zinged by the Dad!"
"How many gatherings DID i miss? Do you girls meet every month or something?"
It was a rather cosy gathering,
and surprisingly very comfortable given that i haven't seen some of them for ages.
Aud's going to Rome for a month long holiday.
"I'll be staying with my friend over there," she told us.
"Oh, where does your friend stay?" K asked.
"In London"
"erm....that's a bit far isn't it" K said as she popped another cork into a wine bottle.
"K that's the 2nd cork you popped in. is that why you brought so many bottles of wine?"
"hmm," K gave an intense look as she sipped the wine she just opened, "this tastes..erm..corky"
The finale of the night wasn't F1 but the making of chocolate fondue.
Or maybe it's the Malachamb dance video K was so pleased with,
and the "what kind of strippers do you want for your birthday" discussion.
Anyhow,
yes choco fondue.
K and Aud chatted outside while the rest of us tried our hands at melting choco chips.
half hour of struggling with chocolate cement later,
Aud finally walked in and revealed that she's a Food and Nutrition student and can we please melt the chips by using the stove instead of boiling water.
"I think the chocolate has gotten pass optimum point," weips added.
"what optimum point???"
"it's beyond melted. it's drying! i think i'll add water"
"Oh no pls add milk, not water," Aud quickly said.
"Aud must be thinking we're really idiots" Lu helpfully added.
The melted chocolate tasted a lot better than it looked.
Yum.
-----------------------------------------
Back to Hell.
Brian Mclaren's story is a trilogy can you imagine.
So i'm on to the next book.
Not as mindblowing as the first one i read,
but not bad.
And the whole book is about hell.
all the different theories of it.
I love Brian's point of view,
at least the possibilities he is advocating.
Completely resonates with my sentiments.
Which cannot be aired freely because pple always look at me like i'm a complete doctrine idiot when i try to probe them further into it.
(not that i care being look upon as a doctrine idiot, but a conversation with that frame point goes nowhere)
If I may quote from the book to adequately and clearly express my point of reference:
"This book is dedicated to all pple who love these pple (with questions), listen to their questions in gentleness and respect, and want to help them find honest answers they can live with. It will let them know that they are not wrong or alone in asking their questions, and it may help them find a place where they can in good faith have faith."
"we often seek clarity at the expense of the truth: we would rather have something simple and clear than continue to search beyond convention for a truth that won't resolve to a neat formula."
"Learning isn't a consequence of teaching or listening, it is a consequence of thinking"
"Scripture, Logic, Tradition, Heart Beliefs. What if they don't reconcile? Just say I don't know"
"To believe in God is to believe in the salvation of the world. the paradox of our time is that those who believe in God do not believe in the salvation of the world, and those who believe in the future of the world do not believe in God.....God seeks among us sons and daughters who resemble him enough, who love the world enough so that he could send them into the world to save it."
To save the world, the "salvation" here,
in following the theme of the book,
is not the conventional "believe me or go to hell".
It's abt the injustice of the world,
it's abt returning the world to the place of love and selflessness that it was meant to be.
I shall try my hands at a parable.
in the window we see a tree.
and we hear sounds that come from somewhere outside the window frame.
it sounds like birds or bees or maybe aliens for all we know,
because we can't see it.
But God has placed all these things there.
And then we start to squabble abt what that sound is.
And because no one really knows,
we all pick a fixed stubborn position and insist we're right.
And while we argue abt it,
the tree withers away.
I think all God really wants us to do is to take care of the tree.
the sound could be from a bird,
as an encouragement from God that once the tree blossoms, the birds will come.
The point is,
let's focus on what we see now,
instead of dwelling on things we can't see.
which is not to say we don't believe or disregard those things,
but we use them as encouragement for this life,
and not as points of disputes or contention.
Good christians go to heaven and bad non-christians probably won't,
and all those in between,
i don't know.
(even though yes, in my mind i know what the model answer is)
And i reckon God's reply to me if i ask will be, "You don't need to know".
Interestingly,
the book points out that the way some Christians use the concept of hell to "scare" pple into believing christ is somewhat the method of the Pharisees in the bible who use hell to "scare" and judge the sinners of their time, an approach that Jesus completely objected.
------------------------------------------------
So what is hell to me?
it has never bothered me,
but interesting question.
If i have a concept of heaven,
then i should have one for hell.
Perhaps,
just like heaven,
hell is not so much a place than a state of being.
If heaven is a place of love,
then hell is a place with no love.
(which ties in the fact that God is love. so hell has no love, because hell has no God)
Imagine a place of pure isolation,
where everyone is selfish and self absorbed,
where no one really cares.
where everyone's in a neverending competition to be better.
And being there forever.
That's a pretty scary place.
Just as there can be heaven on earth,
i guess there can also be hell on earth.
And again isn't it interesting,
that same question again,
if you take it that what you pursue on earth is what you get in the afterlife,
then would you still pursue a life of riches and materialism,
or would you pursue a life of love?
which kind of life would you want to live in forever?
------------------------------------------------
before any horrified pple from church haul me in for extra shepherding to trim the liberalism,
i offer another quote from Elizabeth Gilbert, author of eat love pray.
"I'm sure what i'm pushing for,
this idea of essentially a fairy sprinkling fairy juice on our creative works,
doesn't sit down well with a group of scientists like yourselves.
But my question really is,
why not?
why not think abt it this way?
If it can save our most creative pple from falling into depression and suicide,
then why not?"
